Kooky philosophy 101…

I used to laugh at ghosts, God and people who buy healing crystals.

I still despise religion and healing crystals BUT…in my kooky old age, I’ve decided that maybe materialism isn’t necessarily where it’s at. By materialism, I mean not buying more handbags but the idea that everything in our universe can be analysed and explained in terms of purely material forces – gravity, electro-magnetism, the strong and weak nuclear forces, etc.

My basic premise is this. What you can perceive is limited by the tools you use to perceive it. We used to think lightning was God having a tantrum, because we didn’t know about electricity. We used to believe in ‘evil humours’ because we couldn’t see germs. Ask a computer the meaning of life and it’ll say 42.

So if you use the scientific method to analyse our world, and you begin with the assumption that everything is material (no ghosts, thanks) you WILL get scientific answers. Which work. As far as it goes. But if it happens to be the case that the universe also comprises non-material substances or forces, don’t be surprised if the scientific method gives us no indication of this. Wrong tools.

So the obvious riposte is – why should we think that there are any non-material substances or forces at work in the universe, given that we have zero evidence so far that such substances or forces exist?

It’s a good point. But is there really zero evidence?

I mean, what usually happens when we’re presented with ‘evidence’ that non-material stuff exists? We label it delusional. We dismiss it, because – we say – it can’t be verified (or falsified for that matter) through the scientific method. We say, ‘If any of this stuff was real, wouldn’t the Skeptics Society have handed out that million bucks by now?’ (To be fair, nobody’s yet been able to prove that anybody else is actually even self-aware. Yet. NB, maybe we should set up a prize…) It doesn’t fit in with our dominant paradigm – which is, these days at least, that the universe comprises ONLY material stuff.

Case in point – I read a study once ON a study of a dozen northern UK housewives who had experienced, in some form, the presence of a dead family member. The meta-study showed that the original researchers went in with an (understandably) sceptical, rather than neutral, attitude. As a result the housewives (in deference to the attitude of the academics) also qualified their experiences with little asides like ‘but I guess I could have just imagined it…’ and ‘at least that’s how it felt at the time…’. Basically, no one was allowed to take any of it seriously.

Anyway, what kind of ‘evidence’ am I talking about here? People seeing ghosts. Near death experiences. Coincidences. Deja vu. Religious experience. Foreknowledge. Remote mental communication. Moving to (slightly) less controversial examples, how about consciousness itself, which has yet to be explained as an emergent mechanism of matter. Or the experience of a universal consciousness reported by people trained in serious meditation?

“But that’s not evidence!!!” the committed materialist bursts out. “That’s delusion! Or chicanery!”

Well yeah, maybe (magazine psychics, Jesus walking on water…). But it’s also possible that we just have no framework in which to place that kind of information. We’ve got our materialist framework (yep, that’s definitely a split proton). We’ve got our emotional framework (yep, that’s love!). But we don’t really have a framework for ideas about the nature of the universe that go beyond our everyday physical and social context. I mean, look how we struggle with quantum physics and the concept of infinity. What, it goes on for…ever? And ever???? And…you’re saying an electron can be here, and not here, at the same time??

Three things make me wonder if we need to be a bit more cautious about our assumption that what can’t be analysed scientifically can’t, therefore, exist. One, the huge paradigm shifts we’ve experienced so far even just scientifically. We’ve gone from the idea that the world’s made of earth, water, air and fire and God made Adam and Eve six thousand years ago out of dirt to knowing about DNA and multiverses. And we think we’re well on the way to having it all sorted??? Two, the very commonness and frequency of non-material experiences or intuitions. Mass delusions exist for sure but when enough people spot an anomaly there’s a point when it ceases to be an anomaly and you have to consider expanding the basic theory. Newtonian physics to Einstein and all that.

And three, how very limited we are, as humans. We are bounded by our sense of self. We don’t even know what it’s like to be a bat, an ant or an eagle, let alone what it’s like (if anything) to be a tree or a star. We don’t even know how it is that we want to survive (or want anything, for that matter – more on that another time). We’re like the blind guy declaring the elephant is all trunk.

Then again, like, chem trails.

Probably I wouldn’t be putting the case for any of this stuff if I hadn’t myself had a few ‘numinous’ experiences. Which I could easily put into the ‘delusion’ basket. But I’m finding it interesting to explore the ‘what if not’ side of the argument. So I think I’ll just keep doing that for a while on this blog…sorry.

23 Comments

  1. I really like your perspective. I’m glad you found my blog post and I’ll definitely follow you back. I’m looking forward to seeing more of your posts. Have a great weekend!

  2. Hi Rose,
    Just because science (“humanity”) can’t measure something, does not mean it does not “exist”. It “just” means it can’t be measured. This does not mean, that at some point in the future, we won’t be able to measure it. We simply can’t, now.

    “Science” is only one way of understanding things in the “universe” of our experience. But, it is not exclusive. Conscious existence is one such thing which can’t be proven (scientifically), but which we believe is real and “exists”. “Cogito, ergo sum” – “I think therefore I am”. The “usefulness” of science is in its ability to provide predictive behavior. If I drop a hammer while standing on a planet with positive gravity, the hammer WILL fall towards the center of the planet. If I pray for rain, it MAY rain tomorrow or next week or in a hundred years. Prayer is not reliably predictive.

    The “scientific method” is a way of looking at the world. It rarely provides absolute certainty – especially in the real world. This is one almost concrete difference between “science” and faith / religion. You can always question science. Rarely, can you question a rule set by God. This is why science can grow, change and improve our understanding of the universe. Faith can give meaning to existence, but it cannot explain the nature of what exists. Science can explain how things happen (generally), but rarely is able to give meaning to why “bad” things happen to “good” people or vice-versa.

    Anyway, thank you for your interesting post…
    Kevin

  3. I think it’s possible to extend one’s reasoning beyond the narrow confines of materialism these days, without running foul of those who would label us crackpot. In my own case, it’s a path that led to philosophical idealism, which is seeing something of a resurgence these days, and which puts consciousness at the centre of everything. There’s a good introductory video, which I think might be of interest, given the run of your thoughts here. Nothing spiritual or faith based, but plenty of quantum strangeness! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb7R6dLQeoY

  4. It really is the other way around… your proposed question as to whether there is any evidence whatsoever that non-material aspects of the universe exists. The real blind spot is the assumption of materialism in the first place. There is zero evidence that anything — and I mean anything — is exclusively 100% material. It takes a great deal of societal, cultural, and academic indoctrination to come to this crazy assumption.

    Good to see you have arrived at this.

    1. Yes. The best example of this is how particles are more like ghosts at the smallest levels. How far do we go? At some point, is the entire fabric of the universe pixelated? If particles at the quantum level are akin to wave functions and ghosts popping in and out of existence, what is material reality?

  5. You put the case for the non-material very convincingly. My only quarrel is with blind faith and a mind that will entertain only one type of possibilities. If you have an enquiring mind, go ahead and investigate. If you haven’t, leave it to those who do and don’t swear by some second-hand hogwash because you’re too scared to live with your ignorance.

    1. Blind faith… yeah I have a problem with that too. I certainly wouldn’t swear to the existence of the non material. I just speculate that maybe there’s more to our universe than we’ve so far learned to comprehend. That is, that our paradigms have shifted and may shift again.

  6. The thing is our brains are not dependable for rationalising a lot of stuff. That’s why we have science.
    I would like to think there’s more but I don’t know and is that just my brains wish

      1. Who’s knows? That’s the thing… I think it’s nice for us to believe there is something after we pass but there’s no certainty and there’s no harm in it.

  7. I think part of this is a failure of science communication, lack of science literacy, and a desire for easy digestible answers. A scientist who has proper training would not say that something that cannot be measured doesn’t exist. The rational position there is that if it cannot be measured a conclusion about its existence cannot be applied. But science communication is often about simplifying things and popularism. And there are plenty of poor scientists out there and scientists who are prone to magical thinking. I think the only logical position is agnosticism – some things are supported by evidence, some things are not, other things may never even be measured, but they may still exist outside of our perceptions and frameworks. Philosophically, there is no rationale for thinking that we will understand everything. There may be things we will never know and may be incapable of knowing due to insufficient tools/limited perceptions/limited contexts. I have encountered a few ghost/odd stories in my time from those close to me. I have examined as many angles as I can think of for their mechanisms, but I cannot explain those events. Whilst I have never experienced such things myself, I admit that there seems to be a class of subjective phenomena that seems to happen outside normal perceptions. Science will struggle to measure subjective phenomena, especially when it happens seemingly without warning. Thus, my thinking here is that since we don’t have all the answers, and may never have all the answers, there is certainly plenty of room for strange things.

    1. I agree completely with you. I guess I would say there is a role for personal experience and that it can sometimes be unjustly rubbished. Even science begins with perception and experience, and one can’t automatically discount experiences that fall outside the currently explicable. There’s a limit to the degree to which you can be expected not to believe your own eyes. Even though it’s well established that perception can be distorted and deluded. So yeah, agnosticism is a very reasonable approach, but so also is choosing to give credence to your own experience or the experience of those close to you, without necessarily having to ‘prove’ it.

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